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marawi
Fri Aug 29 2008 02:06:20 AM
magiging muslim war na ito against ilaga sa northe cotabato pero oobosin nito ng mga MILF.
marawi
Thu Aug 28 2008 11:18:00 PM
An undetermined number of soldiers was killed or wounded. The badly mauled troops had to retreat back to Pantao-Ragat from where they came. Firefights also simultaneously occurred in Nunang, Poona Piagapo
marawi
Thu Aug 28 2008 11:17:42 PM
The mujahideen suffered one martyred and one wounded. The following day, August 25, one company of soldiers was ambushed in Siagapud, Piagapo. The army company was being deployed as part of the military cordon to seal off Bravo’s exit from Lanao del Norte when the ambuscade took place. Only six soldiers survived. Another ambush on the same day was staged by the mujahideen at Radapan, Poona Piagapo against on-coming government troops.
marawi
Thu Aug 28 2008 11:16:09 PM
For the past couple of days now, most of the fighting is taking place in Poona Piagapo, Lanao del Norte. Here is the summary of the field report from Luwaran war correspondents in Lanao del Norte: August 24 - The mujahideen ambushed a large formation of Filipino troops backed by armored vehicles at Radapan, Poona Piagapo. One battle tank was hit by mujahideen RPG and badly damaged, its occupants either killed or wounded. In this engagement 38 soldiers were killed, twenty plus were wounded.
marawi
Thu Aug 28 2008 11:13:59 PM
The campaign by the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) to encircle and finally finish off MILF Commander Bravo Macapaar and his 102nd BIAF Base Command has been terribly foiled by the heavy losses in men and materiel on the part of the invading force.The mujahideen’s knowledge of the terrain, their high morale and willingness to fight and be martyred for the Islamic Moro cause are crucial factors that more than compensate for the strategic superiority of the AFP and its use of excessive force
Aisha_Asis
Thu Aug 28 2008 11:06:44 PM
Defensive Jihad is the most important of all the compulsory duties and arises in the ff. conditions:
1) If the kuffar enter a land of the Muslims.
2) If the rows meet in battle and they begin to approach each other.
3) If the Imam calls a person or a people to march forward then they must march.
4) If the kuffar capture and imprison a group of Muslims.
Aisha_Asis
Thu Aug 28 2008 11:03:54 PM
Defensive Jihad is the most important of all the compulsory duties and arises in the ff. conditions:
1) If the kuffar enter a land of the Muslims.
2) If the rows meet in battle and they beginto approachy each other.
3) If the Imam calls a person or a people to march forward then they must march.
4) If the kuffar capture and imprison a group of Muslims.
Aisha_Asis
Thu Aug 28 2008 10:58:32 PM
Offensive Jihad is where the Kuffar are not gathering to fight the Muslims. The fighting becomes
Fard Kifaaya or not that obligatory( WaLLAHU A'lam )
with the minimum requirement of appointing believers to guard boarders, and the sending of an army at least once a year to terrorise the enemies Of ALLAH...
Aisha_Asis
Thu Aug 28 2008 10:48:47 PM
To proceed...
Offensive Jihad is where the enemy is attacked in his own territory..
And on the other hand,
Defensive Jihad is expelling the kuffar from our land.. and it is Fardh 'Ayn, a compulsory duty upon all...
Aisha_Asis
Thu Aug 28 2008 10:44:45 PM
Insha-ALLAH.. as I've mentioned awhile ago.. my 'Ilm or knowledge is so little as a slave of The Almighty ALLAH.. May ALLAH give barakah to these discussions.. Aameen..!
As one of our akhiey fidDeen mentioned, the Tawfeeq or guidance Of ALLAH cannot be based on age.. even if I am a young Muslimah at my generation, I'll try to gain ALLAH's help and moreover be one of His Da'ee.. BaarakaLLAHU fik aydhan..
JuzThinkin
Thu Aug 28 2008 10:08:36 PM
2:190 fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors2:190 fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors

2:193 And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
JuzThinkin
Thu Aug 28 2008 10:08:00 PM
You have to elaborate on that Aisha because that could be misleading. When engaged in jihad, you are either on the defensive or on the offensive depending on the circumstances of the war. If what you mean by offensive is aggression/t ransgression, then there is no such thing. In fact, that is forbidden as can be gleaned from the following verses of the Qur’an:
Aisha_Asis
Thu Aug 28 2008 10:05:16 PM
as well as our Mujahidaat akhawaaty fiDdeen..! Aameen..!
Aisha_Asis
Thu Aug 28 2008 09:51:23 PM
May ALLAH help our Mujahideen brothers.. Aameen..!
ALLAHU Akbar wa LILLAHIL Hamd..!
Aisha_Asis
Thu Aug 28 2008 09:43:43 PM
Maaf or sorry if I can't share my little 'Ilm or knowledge in Jihad for some reasons.. May ALLAH forgive us all.. Aameen..!
Aisha_Asis
Thu Aug 28 2008 09:37:33 PM
Salaam to all ISISians..
Aisha_Asis
Thu Aug 28 2008 09:09:21 PM
AsSalaamo'alaikom w.R.W.B....
Let me share some of my little knowledge about Jihad..
Jihad against the Kuffar is of two types..
a) Offensive Jihad and
b) Defensive Jihad...
marawi
Thu Aug 28 2008 06:05:54 PM
kanina kitang kita si MILF comander Bravo na naglalakad sa osminia street marawi city naka sivilyan sila.
JuzThinkin
Thu Aug 28 2008 05:10:59 PM
They don't read the news AlienXpat3. Pati nga ako who always watch the TV news, naguguluhan din. In ABS CBN, 187 na ang total number of casualty. Sa GMA naman, 55. Kay marawi naman, ubus na militar. He he he. But Ermita says mlitary operations aginst the MI rogue cmdrs will continue even during Ramadhan.
AlienXpat3
Thu Aug 28 2008 04:19:48 PM
You can watch the latest news any time of the day at http://www.gmane ws.tv/index.html
marawi
Thu Aug 28 2008 03:07:33 PM
talo ang military bohai pa ang mga mojaheden pero maraming namatai sa side ng military.the next move is to take malacanyang palace para MILF ang magiging leader sa pinas insa allah ameen.allahoakbar
khan2x2009
Thu Aug 28 2008 02:23:27 PM
ALLAHU AKBAR!

jehad is compulsury to all Muslim to defend their land, the people and their Religion the Islam. because if we will not fight for this?
When?
how?
and who will fight for it?

pakadaagun o Allah so mga pagari tano a mga mujahideen. Ameen...
khan2x2009
Thu Aug 28 2008 02:22:52 PM
ALLAHU AKBAR!

jehad is compulsury to all Muslim to defend their land, the people and their Religion the Islam. because if we will not fight for this?
When?
how?
and who will fight for it?

pakadaagun o Allah so mga pagari tano a mga mujahideen?
marawi
Thu Aug 28 2008 04:18:37 AM
isa lang natira sa military air transportation ng pinas at 37 years old pag yan pa ang maholog ay wala nasila.
marawi
Thu Aug 28 2008 04:11:21 AM
tomahimik na ang military naobosan ng bala at walang bomba.
jlani11
Thu Aug 28 2008 02:05:51 AM
Tanung mga BRO & SIS, Sino ba magiging leader pag naitatag na ang BM state?
MSUan
Wed Aug 27 2008 04:24:26 PM
Parang tahimik na nga. That's good news.
marawi
Wed Aug 27 2008 03:50:42 PM
Government Secretary Ronaldo Puno said offensives by the military and police against Moro Islamic Liberation Front rebels are expected to end before the start of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan.

MSUan
Wed Aug 27 2008 03:40:10 PM
In your info, marawi, it seems the AFP has not really overran 17 camps as they claimed. Must be the other way around. How many AFP positions the MI rogue commanders took?
marawi
Wed Aug 27 2008 03:19:53 PM
In North Cotabato , more than 60 were killed on the part of soldiers, CAFGUs and CVO. In Maguindanao, more than 50 were killed on the part of the soldiers and CAFGUs. No figure was.In Maasim, Saranggani, 58 soldiers were killed.In Lanao del and Lanao del Norte, more than 20 soldiers killed were reported to luwaran and still counting. On the part of the MILF, more or less 10 fighters were killed.Four tanks were destroyed and several military vehicles were also damaged,Several high powered firear
AlienXpat3
Wed Aug 27 2008 06:24:34 AM
Of course JT; it’s ominous…coming of the BEAST 666 (USA/UN) in 1990, the New Jerusalem (Masjid El Harram) in 1994, the Dajjal (Mullah Muhammad Omar) and the End of the Mayan Calendar on December 12, 2012. The good thing is we can be humorous about it. OBAMA BIDEN will certainly accelerate the war in Afghanistan/Pakistan and the Iraq war will become even more violent minus USA…SUNNIS vs SHAS.
marawi
Wed Aug 27 2008 02:58:06 AM
ikao ang next na mahoholog sa sa dagat RONALDO PUNO.mai oras na hindika makakatikim ng bigas piro apoi ang matitikiman mo.
marawi
Wed Aug 27 2008 02:53:54 AM
maoobosna ang mga sondalo ayao nila magmaniho ng tanki dahil mamamatai sila sa loob at masosonog.allah will help the mojaheden ameen.
marawi
Wed Aug 27 2008 02:49:14 AM
sobra sobra ang namatai sa sondaro,allahoakber ya allah pakadaagakaminka.
confused_mrnao
Tue Aug 26 2008 10:59:03 PM
i think that streamer in front of isis refers to the 2nd scrabble (word game) tournamnet.. and hence the name WORD WAR II.. hehe..
MSUan
Tue Aug 26 2008 07:50:18 PM
By the way, it's interesting to follow how the US/Europe -Russia conflict over Georgia unfolds. Pres Medvedev just signed a decree recognizing South Ossetia and AbKhazia as independent states. This is a direct challenge to the US and its European allies who also recognized the independence of Kosovo completely disregarding the opposition of Russia. WELCOME BACK, COLD WAR!
MSUan
Tue Aug 26 2008 07:38:16 PM
I thought at first whoever hanged that streamer across the highway in front of the ISIS gate just before one turns to MSU, would notice the spelling “WORD WAR II” and changed it (WORD to WORLD). Has anybody noticed it or they’re just so lazy to do anything about it. That’s a shame!!! Tsk, tsk, tsk.
JuzThinkin
Tue Aug 26 2008 04:42:40 PM
action against terrorists should be. He is of the opinion that Afghanistan is a breeding ground for terrorists. This means, the US war on terror will not end with the change of leadership in the White House. The scope of the war might even be broaden and might include us Mindanao being also considered by Bush as another theater in his war against terror.
JuzThinkin
Tue Aug 26 2008 04:41:54 PM
Hik, hik, hik. That’s very nice, AlienXpat3. From which star are you from? I like watching the Star Wars and, at times, my mind also travels to far far away galaxies.

But seriously the rhyming of OSAMA BIN LADEN and OBAMA BIDEN may be ominous of a future final showdown between two powerful terrorists (US, a terrorist state vs. AL Qaeda, a terrorist Group). In one of his speeches, Obama said he will withdraw US forces from Iraq within 16 months and focus instead on Afghanistan where the true a
drieza_bm
Tue Aug 26 2008 02:30:59 PM
she will seek pala..pasensiyan nyo grammar ko nagmamadali ako eh..and bata pa ako,hehe
drieza_bm
Tue Aug 26 2008 02:28:00 PM
now GMAs bluff is over.."we will not sign the moa,revisit,rev iew,renegotiate, shift policy focus etc." now is getting soft instead he will seek help from UK and sweden to help in the peace process.
drieza_bm
Tue Aug 26 2008 02:25:22 PM
the GRP is now badly punished,for thier insincerity in the talks they lost some of thier best men..with the government pronouncement that overrun 17 MILF camps is a sign that they will halt thier operation soon..gusto lang nila me lumabas na me na achieve ang kanilang attaks..they were humiliated by only 2 MILF base comdrs. tsk..tsk..
drieza_bm
Tue Aug 26 2008 02:21:36 PM
tomy friend alien expat..i may be young..but my 12 years experience in the MORO struggle..thought me a lot of lesson..and i hate to brag..i may be young btu sometimes my ideas always prevail with those OLD ones..naks..i will not regret what am doing instead i will treasure this..pag nakikita ko ang mga elders sa struggle iba sakanila 40 years na pero idealist pa rin..kung nakaya nila bakit hindi ko rin makaya!
drieza_bm
Tue Aug 26 2008 02:17:18 PM
with one helicopter shot down,and one c-13o plane crashed or hit by anti-aircraft..it is clear thAt allah s.w.t. is guiding our mujahideens..please extend our prayer for freedom fighters.
drieza_bm
Tue Aug 26 2008 02:13:16 PM
Inshaalah, WE WILL WIN the Struggle! allahu akhbar!
AlienXpat3
Tue Aug 26 2008 06:27:19 AM
THE FATE OF PLANET EARTH IS IN THE HANDS OF THE “BARRAKS”…where are the clones? Earth’s only hope is Russia’s super-spy James Bond (007) PUTIN. He was chief of the KGB before becoming president. Sometimes I wonder if the makers of “CASINO ROYALE” did not have PUTIN in their minds when they chose a blonde that exactly look like him to play James Bond. The fate of planet Earth a joke and we take it too seriously...hak hak hak’
AlienXpat3
Tue Aug 26 2008 06:26:10 AM
JT…how about OB wan (canobi) and OBL bringing down the twin (space ships) towers. The Empire Strikes back…OBWan escaped to a mountainous desert planet while OBL to the Desert Mountains of planet TORA BORA…STAR WARS. The semblance is striking. If BARRAK OSAMA and JOE BI(NLA)DEN gets elected…we will have 3 BARRAK presidents in the turbulent world…Pres (Mu)barrak of Egypt, incoming Prime Minister Barrak of Israel and Pres Barrak of USA…
JuzThinkin
Mon Aug 25 2008 07:35:08 PM
Now OSAMA BINLADEN finds his nemesis in the OBAMA BIDEN tandem. Or hindi kaya magkapmilya lang yan? Or perhaps, OBAMA just want to taunt those accusing him of being a Muslim/terrorist and deliberately picked Joe Biden to make his name sound more like that of Osama Bin Laden. Or perhaps he just want to be funny.
mark
Mon Aug 25 2008 05:03:31 PM
nabelguiama, in answer to your request, pls read a post in the forum,"Why Should the Phil.." which is a very brief account of the war in Mindanao. You need to research on it if you want really to be enlightened about it.
marawi
Mon Aug 25 2008 02:54:15 PM
People are hungry and children are suffering from various illnesses inside combat zones especially in Datu Saudi Ampatuan complex where fierce fighting has been taking place for days already. The AFP is using excessive military force including use of howitzers, OV-10 planes, helicopter gunships in an attempt to dislodge thousands of MILF mujahideens, who use telescopic single-shot .50 cal. rifle against soldiers. Many of the government casualties died of shots in the forehead, even as one milita
marawi
Mon Aug 25 2008 02:53:49 PM
Tens of thousands of internally displaced persons (IDPs) or evacuees continue to suffer for lack of food and medicines in the battle zones of Maguindanao and Sarangani as the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) ordered a blockade of food and medicines since yesterday.
nabelguiama
Mon Aug 25 2008 12:10:11 PM
I am deeply concern of the on-going conflict in mindanao between MILF-GRP but my knowledge about the issue is truly limited. Could anybody out there to feed me some important issues to note.
marawi
Mon Aug 25 2008 12:07:59 AM
ang gosto ng MILF ay bangsa moro homeland para walang patayan.hindina mawawala ang problima pag nakatanga pa tayo sa governo.
marawi
Mon Aug 25 2008 12:03:23 AM
maraming namatai na sondalo sa lanao del norte areva MILF.
Tycoon
Sun Aug 24 2008 11:39:09 PM
pour developmental funds to the ARMM. After having been successful, then and only then can the BM people work for a separate state or a state within a state. Or wait for the federalization of the country! O, anong say ninyo!
Tycoon
Sun Aug 24 2008 11:36:44 PM
The MILF should limit itself to what the ARMM has, epecially on territory.The should instead ask for limited self-rule within the parameters of the constitution, like an improved autonomy. Perhaps, Congress can legislate a judicial system,a comelec branch for the ARMM, a regional security command under the AFP, and natural resource sharing. This may be acceptable to the GRP and can easily be realized. Let the MILF lead and test their leadership. Meanwhile, let the government and donor countries
ambivert
Sun Aug 24 2008 09:39:50 PM
pgma is happy that signing of the moa-ad did not pustrue. she is happier that negotiation is back to square 1. If the milf will accept possible proposal of GRP for renegotiation, mindanao will be peaceful for the duration of the renegotiation.This is what the grp is praying for.
marawi
Sun Aug 24 2008 08:53:56 PM
SHARIFF AGUAK, Maguindanao--Unarmed American troops were seen inside the military's 64th Infantry Battalion in Datu Saudi town, which is near the Mamasapano town where government troops have been firing canons towards Moro Islamic Liberation Front lairs.

Yellowbird
Sun Aug 24 2008 07:54:28 PM
those who are against the peace agreement.
Yellowbird
Sun Aug 24 2008 07:41:17 PM
The lack of credibility of GMA, lack of political will and support of the peace process are the reasons why the negotiation is back to square one!Indeed, the peace process is not a priority since GMA's government is faced with corruption scandals and the economic crisis. Many of his cabinet members and even senators prefer a military solution With GMA and his cohorts aiming to amend the constitution by using the MOA-AD, many of our political leaders , in aid of reelection/election, are joining
Yellowbird
Sun Aug 24 2008 07:32:39 PM
modern weapons sa mga MILF? This is being circulated. As to the rumors that some maranao civilians were killed in Iligan City, hindi totoo as we investigated and asked some authorities! Very tense lang at walang kataotao sa Iligan. IN Kolambugan,some Maranaos reported than there are Ilaga roaming around. Delicado din doon. At Lapayan, many Maranaos evacuated after being warned by neighbors na delicado sila!
Yellowbird
Sun Aug 24 2008 07:28:52 PM
Rumors circulating even in metro manila that Bravo is surrounded by around 500 soldiers.This is not yet confirmed. However, at Piagapo, it is confirmed that there is an on going clashes between MILF-AFP. This can even be heard at Saguiaran. Ang may malaking bakbakan ay sa Maguindanao involving cannons ang AFP planes bombarding MILF camps. Daming sundalo daw namatay at not much with the rebels! Tuwang tuwa siguro si Andal. Mga kalaban niya ito!What is puzzling is sino daw ang nagsu supply ng mode
MSUan
Sun Aug 24 2008 07:03:04 PM
I learned too that case in Mulondo has nothing to do with the MILF-GRP conflict over the bungled MOA AD. And marawi, pls share with us facts not propaganda. Are you absolutely certain of the truths of what you are posting here re: MILF-AFP encounter?
marawi
Sun Aug 24 2008 06:17:04 PM
na captured ni umbra katu ang camp na military inambus nila ng isang bisis with 100 B40.naka koha sila ng maraming M203 M16 at mai mga malalaking weapons na nakoha ng MILF
Yellowbird
Sun Aug 24 2008 06:14:20 PM
Government authorities should investigate and look into the alleged cause of the ambush made at Mulondo which killed many soldiers including the brother of the Mayor of Bubong. It was reported that a group of illegal loggers did it. When they were about to transport their lumber flitches, their truck was apprehended by AFP soldiers and can only recover them if they can put up some grease money only to find out that it was sold to other groups by the soldiers. If true, the MILF is not involved!
Yellowbird
Sun Aug 24 2008 06:07:09 PM
hang them , only then can they recover their hard-earned name and goodwill among the BM people!
For example, the one who cut the ears of one of the victims was allegedly made to retaliate for his father killed during the Ilaga-Baracuda days and his ears were chopped. Another are those who pinpointed whose house was to be burned, again for personal retaliation !
Yellowbird
Sun Aug 24 2008 06:00:49 PM
pinapaikot ng gobyernong Arroyo!GMA lacks the political will to push the peace process unlike Ramos when he succeeded in his peace initiatives with the MNLF resulting to the 1996 Peace Agreement!Indeed, if not for the involment of innocent civilians, buring of houses, and some lootings made by " nakikisakay" na mag rebelde kuno, the MILF may have gained more symphatizers including many professionals. If Bravo can pinpoint, which can be done easily, those perpetrators, court martialed them or h
Yellowbird
Sun Aug 24 2008 05:52:23 PM
It is very disturbing to know that Chief Negotiator Garcia told the Supreme Court that he was not authorized to sign the MOA-AD by GMA.Signing was supposed to be witnessed by the Foriegn Minister of Malaysia with the presence of Ambassador Kenney and other dignitaries . Second, DILG Sec. Puno announced that the MOA-AD initialed by the GRP and MILF, with Malaysia /OIC rep as witnesses, was not the MOA-AD supposed to have been sent by Malacanang to Kuala Lumpur. The MILF was defraud and indeed pi
marawi
Sun Aug 24 2008 05:46:41 PM
more than 60 soldiers have lost their lives already in lanao del norte
marawi
Sun Aug 24 2008 04:23:25 PM
Members of an armed Christian group known as the "Ilaga" assemble in Barangay Mampurok in the southern island of Mindanao on August 23.
marawi
Sun Aug 24 2008 04:03:22 PM
mga walang otak ang governo hindi nila alam kong anong kaso na against bravo and ombra.
marawi
Sun Aug 24 2008 03:39:47 PM
kahapon 13 soldiers namatay sa sarangani.
marawi
Sun Aug 24 2008 03:31:02 PM
bakbakan sa lanao del norte,maraming namatay na sondalo pinasok sa hospital anel.mostly are young soldiers.
ambivert
Sun Aug 24 2008 02:23:22 PM
Proponents of federalism believed that it is appropriate to multi-culture country like ours. Muslems like tausugs, yakans, maguindanaoans and maranaos can live togetaher but not for progress and prosperity. ARMM experience is an excellent reference. Therefore, allow them to govern themselves independently so that each can work for the destiny of his people. In political law, there is that concept which says "strong fence make good neighbors".
ambivert
Sun Aug 24 2008 02:11:36 PM
The ARMM is a good alternative.The milf should try without compromising its noble cause. If the government will default, the milf can continue its pursuit for truth and justice for the BM.
Yellowbird
Sun Aug 24 2008 01:54:55 PM
The MILF leadership should try asking for a better deal. Let us join together and work hard to reduce poverty.Improve the opportunities of the BM people to aquire higher education and boost their techinical and professional knowhow.Let industries and businesses grow in Muslim areas to create more jobs.Revolutionize the agri sector and the government should give us respect and recognition as Muslims, to name a few! etc. etc.
Yellowbird
Sun Aug 24 2008 01:45:43 PM
I am not a prophet of doom, but the creation of the BJE is becoming remote due to present circumstances!We are back to square one! Waiting for a friendly administration after 2010 with drilon roxas et al, who may be elected, is also remote! Where shall we go from here? Why not try the MILF to lead the ARMM government and see if they can succeed! Forget muna what happened to the old warrior Nur!
Yellowbird
Sun Aug 24 2008 01:37:44 PM
Indeed, as an observer of current events, I feel that this will take several more decades to resolve perhaps. There are alternatives to achieving peace, not only through war or through the declaration of independence in our homeland. Federalism is worth experimenting ! Real autonomy is another with honest and capable leaders to handle it! The proposal of Joe de Venecia of giving a seed money of 50 Billion pesos to finance a mini martial plan is another!
JuzThinkin
Sun Aug 24 2008 01:19:28 PM
to the present. The only reason why we study history is so that we would be able to understand better our present. And understanding our present will enable us to chart our future.
JuzThinkin
Sun Aug 24 2008 01:18:45 PM
true with the federal form of government should there be a CHA CHA. Being a state, we would have much leeway in deciding on its form so it could reflect our needs as Moros. I agree, it’s not going to be an independent state but under the present circumstances it is be the best alternative there is.

I think it’s time to take a paradigm shift and put an end to our romance with the past. It’s absolutely okay to be nostalgic sometimes but the past is past and there is no way you can bring it back
JuzThinkin
Sun Aug 24 2008 01:17:55 PM
I see the views of YB, AlienXpat3 and Ambivert are not really conflicting but are on one side that is opposed to the views of Drieza_bm and company. I would like to add myself to that list. My belief is that there is no alternative to peace and we should grab the opportunity once it offers itself. The present ARMM, though far from being perfect, is the best concession we got so far from the government and no less than the Constitution that created it. Why not improve on it instead? This is also
ambivert
Sun Aug 24 2008 09:22:42 AM
Unless intellectual muslems will do their best in charting the destiny of the muslems in the Philippines, we will continue to suffer the adverse consequence of our idleness.
ambivert
Sun Aug 24 2008 09:14:38 AM
One maranao said, if we will not stop fighting, time will come that even lands that are occupied by us will no longer be with us. I think the statement is correct.
ambivert
Sun Aug 24 2008 09:09:26 AM
As an alternative, yes, i am in favor of federal government.Since we don't have of what we like best and the circumstance does not allow us to have it easily, what is left for us is to consider federalism. There are federal countries that may be considered as a model for our purpose. In the event that it will not again work, then, we will consider other form again.
AlienXpat3
Sun Aug 24 2008 06:38:23 AM
YB…if a Moro State within a federal government doesn’t work, how do we expect a Bangsa Moro State as envisioned by the MILF succeed? Moro State in a Federal Government is a milder version of what is in the mind of the MILF. The central (national) government in a federation is duty bound to bill out or at least help a state in times of trouble.
AlienXpat3
Sun Aug 24 2008 06:37:19 AM
Our people are hungry…but then you will tell me that it is for that reason that you are fighting for Independence. C’mon…our natural resources is not that rich and with people so poor they don’t even know how to file an income tax…our people will go from being hungry to actually starving. I am a dreamer but most of all…I am a realist but hey…cha-cha may not be a distant thunder.
AlienXpat3
Sun Aug 24 2008 06:36:32 AM
That the GRP has something more to offer after signing a deal with MNLF is a riddle to me because they are suppose to be fighting for the same piece of land. ARMM is the best that we ever achieved. Lay down your arms and prove your mettle in time of peace. If people as you claimed are behind you…they will vote MILF into office. Prove to us that you are better than Noor Misuari…a.k.a. MNLF in time of peace.
AlienXpat3
Sun Aug 24 2008 06:35:32 AM
For every flare up of fighting…Muslims are displaced. Some of them never came back replaced naturally by the saruang. You are achieving the opposite of what you strive for. 4 of the poorest provinces in the Philippines are all in Moslem Mindanao…Lanao del sur included. I believe that it is time to rethink our methods…overhaul our way of thinking. MILF should renegotiate the terms of what the MNLF had already achieved in fact I found it puzzling that the GRP negotiated with MILF at all.
AlienXpat3
Sun Aug 24 2008 06:35:04 AM
I admire your enthusiasm drieza_bm. You are young and restless and with age comes wisdom. Do not do anything now that you will regret later when that wisdom naturally comes your way. You have a bright future ahead of you. We have been fighting for the same cause in the last 400 years. We can fight for another 400 years but the chance is getting slimmer by the day.
Yellowbird
Sun Aug 24 2008 06:20:31 AM
state., IRA , the major source of funds for our LGUs may be abolished. We shall be contributing to the financing the central fed government. Where shall we get the funds to finance a fed govt.. Almost all of us are not paying taxes. Perhaps, if we will be allowed to completely develop our natural resources , may be in the long run but we dont have the capability as of the moment!
Yellowbird
Sun Aug 24 2008 06:15:42 AM
Ambivert, it appears that you are in favor of shifting to Federalism as one solution to the MILF -GRP problem? Is there a guarantee or even an empirical evidence that with federalism our woes can be solved. Is there a guarantee that the territory being claimed by the MILF for the BM or BJE will be same or accomodated in a separate federal state? In some ways, self-rule may be possible but am worried about the future of a federal state under the same traditional leaders. Remember under a federal
Yellowbird
Sun Aug 24 2008 06:04:05 AM
The MOA-AD is believed to be a done deal and has become a binding international agreement as supported by the Counsels of the those petitioners invalidating the MOA. Ang gulo nuh?The SC has to be convinced that the initialed MOA-Ad is already a done deal or else what is to be declared unconstitutional . As Bernas had said it is just a piece of paper !
ambivert
Sun Aug 24 2008 05:58:34 AM
Arms confrontation, because of unavoidable collateral damage, is the last resort when appropriate, in solving a problem. Objective cannot be achieved by committing atrocities against civilians who are extraneous to the objective.
Yellowbird
Sun Aug 24 2008 05:54:48 AM
Looking at the 2001 Tripoli Agreement for Peace, the mother of all the agreements of the GRP-MILF negotiations, it appears that the GRP constitution and MILF declaration of independence shall not be mentioned in further negotiations.The constitution is internal on the part of the GRP while the MILF shall work for autonomy with self rule or a state within a state and not independence!
ambivert
Sun Aug 24 2008 05:45:16 AM
Under islamic perspective, there is no need of the milf taking arms against the government, federalism as an alternative to answer the objective can be put to test. But, it the same will not satisfy the test of the milf, the latter can resort to other alternatives.
marawi
Sun Aug 24 2008 03:04:32 AM
salamat na ko sa mga MILF mostly like bravo, aleem pangalian,umbra katu lahat ng mga MI. dahil sa kanila ay natatakot ang mga ilaga sa atin.kong walang MI sigoro mawawala sa atin ang mga lopa ng maranao.
AlienXpat3
Sun Aug 24 2008 12:43:37 AM
There will be no “ALL OUT WAR” against the MILF…there will be “ALL OUT OPEACE”. Maganda pakinggan sa tainga. People have forgotten all the corruption rocking the GMA government since the GRP-MILF peace deal bogged down. Lusot nanaman si ma’am…galing talaga. For all we know…we will be clamouring for her stay on as PM of a new PHILIPPINE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Okaaay…tuloy ang ligaya sa Malacanang basta stay out of sight ka FG. Panggulo ka lang e!
AlienXpat3
Sun Aug 24 2008 12:42:28 AM
GMA…“URONG SULONG” president. When she got embroiled in ZTE deal…she cancelled the contract with China and declared the investigation moot since the deal is off. Similarly…her solicitor general is asking the SC to declare the petition against the MOA-AD as moot since the government will no longer sign it. Whether it is a sign of indecisiveness or political shrewdness…it has so far proven to be her staying power. Withdraw every time you get burn…UTAK
MSUan
Sat Aug 23 2008 09:40:25 PM
But of course that can be expected. If the MILF demands can be resolved through the Constitution, do you think there will be a need for them (MILF) to take up arms?
ambivert
Sat Aug 23 2008 09:35:41 PM
It is clear the MOA-AD is contrary to some provisions of the constitution,we have to understand that demands of the MILF can be solved
only if the government will yield in amending the constitution. If not, resort to federalism is one of the alternatives.
MSUan
Sat Aug 23 2008 09:25:36 PM
That's good news ambivert. I like watching LITMUS. He he he. By the way, is it true, there are Maranao killed in IC? Kung totoo, this is contrary to Drieza_bm's claim.
ambivert
Sat Aug 23 2008 09:24:27 PM
If the arms showdown in Lanao del Norte is align to the noble objective of the MILF, why is it that the author ceases to operate after sunset?
ambivert
Sat Aug 23 2008 09:17:13 PM
Litmus is still a FD event excluding events by group that calls practice during night time.However, if CASS denied as host of the event, the same is without the knowledge and consent of the Steering Committee.
drieza_bm
Sat Aug 23 2008 07:31:18 PM
g nakakombong ka at nakatotob grabe ung smile nila..Mayor CRUZ even warned those people who will get back to meranaos..and i heard from a soucrce nakikipagusap c mayor cruz sa mga meranaw politicians para mag establish ng communication sa MILF ranaw..etong mga AFP na nagooperation Ngaun if you ask them grabe ung takot nila sa MILF..that is why until now wala pang nakakalapit kay bravo..they rely so much sa AIR support..indeed "...ALLAH is The Best PLANNER"
drieza_bm
Sat Aug 23 2008 07:26:24 PM
Those people before us whom ALLAH is pleased sacrificed a lot..thier family,thier life,pain and Agony..we will all be held accountable for any injustices commited during our lifetime..there is no peaceful and short cut to this problem that we have..we must exert some pressure to make this people listen to us..as to the fear that xtians myt get back to ur kids..dont worry xtians now never been friendly than now..kahit anino ng muslim takot sila..if you go to iligan very acoomodating sila nagun pa
drieza_bm
Sat Aug 23 2008 07:18:09 PM
and for those who just sit and watch..you will be forgotten and got old and eventually dies..but as brother let me remind you life is temporary and we will all face our creator and we will be judged..what have you done? UR enemies transgeressed and abuse you, they took ur lands ur identity and ruled you? will he accept the reason that am a peace loving muslim and am against violence and am affraid i myt got hurt and my kids too..will ALLAH be pleased with that kind of reasoning.
drieza_bm
Sat Aug 23 2008 07:11:23 PM
This is History in the making, that is why i preferd MORO-FILIPINO WAR..i read many history books re:MORO WARS and during those times marami din sumasali sa gyera..just like what the MILF is fighting..this part of history will leave a mark for thier courage.
drieza_bm
Sat Aug 23 2008 07:05:10 PM
if my memory still serves me right in 2003 before mahathir resigned as PM of Malaysia, he personally brought the BM problem to the UN, that resulted to the meeting of UN sec.gen KOFI ANNAN and PGMA,after the meeting THe un sec.gen issued statement that they are concerned of the developmentsi in southern phillipines..now that badawi myt resign he could do the do the same..lets pray for this!
drieza_bm
Sat Aug 23 2008 07:01:58 PM
MILF still maintains that the MOA-AD is a done deal.sins it was already initialed..no less than the counsel of the petitioners acknowledge this that if the SC will not declare MOA-AD unconstitutional..MOA-AD can be brought to the UNITED NATIONS.
marawi
Sat Aug 23 2008 03:08:31 PM
kahit dinecler nila ang MILF ay terorest ay walang mangyayari.kong hindi nila naobos ang moros nung walang ipaglalaban sa kanila ay ngayon pa.MILF is strong with arms and power .
Yellowbird
Sat Aug 23 2008 02:39:22 PM
declared terrorists!
Back to square one!War and sufferings of our people continue.
Yellowbird
Sat Aug 23 2008 02:35:14 PM
which Defense Secretary Teodoro said these commanders are answerable to GRP courts!
Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of Muslims and Christians are now displaced because of the on-going AFP-PNP-MILF war.Three Ilaga Commanders are reported to have meet secretly somewhere in Central Mindanao and offered to help the AFP to wipe the rebels!Civilians are now armed even in Iligan City!Meanwhile, some senators want to declared the MILF as terrorists!Magkaka problema ang MILF the moment they are declare
marawi
Sat Aug 23 2008 02:28:48 PM
ito ang resolta ng voice out ni Ermita na paikotin natin ang MILF as like MNLF talaga omikot ang loob ng mindanao at maraming nadamai dito kong totosin sila ang dahilan.niloko nila ang pinas nilko nila ang MILF .
Yellowbird
Sat Aug 23 2008 02:26:26 PM
signing, Katakataka?
Also, GMA's spokeswoman said the MOAD-AD is cancelled, while her Press Secretary says the MOA is subject to review. Esperon has another thing to say na tuloy ang MOA? Which is which now?
GMA announced hindi All-out-war against the MILF but to get the perpetrators and MILF commanders responsible. Al Hadj Murad also announced no All-out war against the government and that they will investigate their field commanders and if found guilty, they will be tried in MILF Courts w
Yellowbird
Sat Aug 23 2008 02:17:11 PM
Chief Negotiator Gen. Rodolfo Gracia told the SC yesterday that GMA did not authorize the GRP Negotiators to sign the MOA-AD with the MILF claiming he was merely authorized to negotiate but not to sign! Napagulo, meaning linoloko lang ang MILF pala. Tama yong one time sinabi ni Ermita na like the MNLF, madaling paikotin ang MILF! Bakit nandoon sa Malaysia si US Ambassador Kenney, our DFA Secretary ,the Malaysian Foreign Affairs Secretary and other officials during the time of the aborted signin
masquerade
Sat Aug 23 2008 01:58:17 PM
dikano d pamrak
may
Sat Aug 23 2008 01:50:22 PM
"One of the strongest causes of differences among people, especially at times of fitnah, is the lack of justice and fairness. If the Muslim strives to become fair to himself and to other people, then many of the problems that arise among Muslims, whether on the individual or communal level, will be solved, in sha Allah."
may
Sat Aug 23 2008 01:48:29 PM
Assalamu alaykum,
“and let not the enmity and hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is nearer to piety”[al-Maa’idah 5:8]
marawi
Sat Aug 23 2008 01:36:41 PM
bakbakan sa maguindanao mai isan amirican sondalo na kitangkita na nag papapotok ng baril kasamasa sondalo ng pinas
Moro_Din
Sat Aug 23 2008 12:45:51 PM
its war against terror in Asia: the Muslim extremists and jihadists looking for safe haven and another training ground for its new recruits also in their war against terror states, their nemesis, the US and its allies. And, consequently, the fruits of all this will be more dying and suffering of innocent civilians, Muslims and Christians alike. Tsk, tsk, tsk. When would we ever learn, people!!!
JuzThinkin
Sat Aug 23 2008 12:11:10 PM
its war against terror in Asia: the Muslim extremists and jihadists looking for safe haven and another training ground for its new recruits also in their war against terror states, their nemesis, the US and its allies. And, consequently, the fruits of all this will be more dying and suffering of innocent civilians, Muslims and Christians alike. Tsk, tsk, tsk. When would we ever learn, people!!!
JuzThinkin
Sat Aug 23 2008 12:10:18 PM
Consequently, we expect to see more of the same … an endless war … consequently we expect the Philippines getting even poorer, among the poorest in the world… consequently, we see more political squabbling and wrangling between and among Moro politicians cutting each other’s throats. And all the time, all those foreign elements who are interested to exploit the situation are only waiting to jump into the fray: The US who is eager to look for a reason and an opportunity to open another theater in
consequently
Sat Aug 23 2008 11:09:10 AM
the GRP is engaging in a triangular approach. the GRP is engaging civil society such as PCID of amina rasul and the communities kuno involving them in the peace process. Like the ARMM newly elected officials in malacanang. The GRP is pitting one moro sector with another, a triangular approach rooted in divide and rule principle.
consequently
Sat Aug 23 2008 11:06:15 AM
the situation now and the media negative and one-sided coverage is that the peace process had suffer set back. the issue is now polarizing the entirity of the Filipinos to go against the moa-ad and to make it impossible for the President and the succeding president to negotiate. and to have that moral legitimacy to negotiate.
consequently
Sat Aug 23 2008 11:03:47 AM
if there was no intervenors, no one will defend the moa-ad in the sc. but i think the sc will nullify the moa and set limitations on the president in her power to negotiate with MILF. Limitations that will make it impossible for the President to negotiate. That is the problem.
consequently
Sat Aug 23 2008 11:00:13 AM
As of now in the Supreme COurt there NINE petitioners who opposed the MOA-AD. And there are only three who are for the signing and lifting of TRO, namely: Muslaf, BLN and Laks Dalidig intervention.OPPAP and Esperon position had now changed filing a motion to dismiss that the GRP will no longer sign the MOA-AD in its present form.
marawi
Fri Aug 22 2008 10:23:51 PM
ito ang ginagawa namin mga MILF para sa inyo hindi para sa amin at para sa mga anak natin at wag ninyo sonogin please.
marawi
Fri Aug 22 2008 10:21:20 PM
itong wag ninyo malimotan dahil kami ay mga walang pinag aralan pero kayo mai pinag aralan sa totoo kami ang nagtatanim ng palay at frotas pero tiniting nan namin kong walang daga na nasa kild ng palay at walang onggoy na aakyat sa mga frotas.dahil pag kinain ng daga at kinain ng onggoy ay kayo ay kawawa at yan ng wag ninyo gawin na baka kayo ay sosonog ng lahat ng pinagpagoran namin sa inyo .salamat
marawi
Fri Aug 22 2008 09:51:31 PM
ito ang sabi ni ermita,paiikotin natin ang MILF katolad ng ginawa natin sa MNLF ito ang gosto nila at omikot talaga ang boong mindanao.21 august 7:30 PM isang simba tank at sixby with soldiers in full battle gears ay walang naka ligtas pag sila ay na ambos ng MI.
Moro_Din
Fri Aug 22 2008 09:45:13 PM
which reason Malacanang is asking the Supreme Court not to continue on the ground that it has changed its mind and will not sign said MOA. But the Supreme Court seemed convinced that it should proceed and set a continuation of the hearing next week.

And YB, huwag mong patulan yang si marawi. He has same mindset with Drieza_bm. They’ve got tunneled vision. He he he
marawi
Fri Aug 22 2008 09:42:45 PM
maotak talaga ang GRP gosto nila makoha ang tatloyan si bravo katu at aleem pangalian para mawalaan ng paa at pakpak ng MILF pero hindito mangyari iikot tayo hanggang sila ay malasing sa mga ginawa nila na dahil ki pinol at mga kasamanya.
Moro_Din
Fri Aug 22 2008 09:42:05 PM
I am with the opinion that a judicial inquiry into the constitutionality of the MOA AD by the Supreme Court is premature because there is no MOA in the first place because it has not been signed. My belief is that the petitioners (opposition) want to add the issue to their arsenal of weapons against PGMA. A declaration, for instance, by the Supreme Court that the MOA is unconstitutional would make PGMA appear having no regard to the constitution in its dealings with the MILF. PGMA knows this for
consequently
Fri Aug 22 2008 09:38:13 PM
By the way in a forum in UP just the other day there was a word war between Atty Buat and Atty Tamano. BUat said that Tamano is an ex moro and traitor. Adel replied that Buat cannot take his identity as MOro and at same time filipino. Though heated, they were civil and cordial....
consequently
Fri Aug 22 2008 09:36:02 PM
There are other two Moro groups who filed petition, Bangsamoro Lawyers Network and another by the MUltisectoral group led by Laks Dalidig and Lasureco's Maongco, atty Daturamos is their lawyer.
consequently
Fri Aug 22 2008 09:34:49 PM
The Oral argument for petitioners was terminated. On AUg 29, the OSG and Atty Soliman representing Esperon will argue. Likewise, Atty Zen MAlang will argue for the Muslim Legal Aid FOundation.
marawi
Fri Aug 22 2008 09:33:30 PM
assalamowalaikom to all bangsa moro wag natin ipapakita na we are against eachother dahil malayo pa ang lalakadin natin kong sinong hindi sasama ay nasa kanya ang gostonya.
marawi
Fri Aug 22 2008 09:27:23 PM
tomigil kayo mag pretind na maranao dahil kong kayo ay maranao kahit anong gawahin yo ay papatain kayo ng mga ilaga.nakakasira kayo ng historya ng bangsa moro.
Yellowbird
Fri Aug 22 2008 09:25:56 PM
GTG, solohin mo na lang Marawi! he he.
Yellowbird
Fri Aug 22 2008 09:24:56 PM
Muranao ako aki Mr. Marawi. I am not against the Bangsa Moro because I am part of it.This is a a forum and everybody is entitled to his opinion even how foolish those opinions are . This is the beauty of Democrazy!Review my chat, Mr. Marawi. O baka di mo lang ma gets ang napaka simpling mga mga opinion!
marawi
Fri Aug 22 2008 09:22:13 PM
nasaan ng justice ng governo nung pinatai c aquino nasaan ng justice nung nilosob ni erap ang abobakar mosqui at nag dala ng baboy pinatai sa loob ng mosqui atsaka nakakolong sya dahil a big criminal
Yellowbird
Fri Aug 22 2008 09:20:11 PM
Meanwhile, the SC will wait for the oral arguments of the Solgen next friday after hearing the oral arguments of the petion of Roxas, Drilon, Adel, Pinol, Lobregat and Cruz. The Solgen wanted to stop the oral arguments since according to her the MOA-Ad signing will not push through. However, the lawyer of the petitioners claimed that with the initials of the MOA-AD, it is presumed to have been signed and the MILF can easily bring this to International Courts!
marawi
Fri Aug 22 2008 09:19:17 PM
itatanong ko sa yo kong maranao ka or what dahil against ka sa bangsa moro.alam mo pag sila ay mai kasalanan tayo pa ang sinisisi pag sila ay mai karapatan ay lalo tayo nila sosonogin
marawi
Fri Aug 22 2008 09:15:15 PM
yung gasolina wag mong idikit sa apoi dahil sasabog yan at ito ang nangyayari sinonog na sinonog ng mga apoi yan na sila peniol at lobregat lawrenz yan ng mga apoi na nag ompisa ng sonog
Yellowbird
Fri Aug 22 2008 09:11:58 PM
Wee, Marawi, if you listened to the interview of Bravo with the ABS-CBN news this evening,he accpeted that these men were under him and he even confronted them daw only to surrender later!They are natives of upper Iligan, neither Muslim nor Christians perhaps!
Laurence Cruz was interviewed and said that the 8 barangays to be annexed to the BJE without consulting his people and the City government is around 80% of the city's land mass!
marawi
Fri Aug 22 2008 09:08:18 PM
ang alam ko ay pati yung mga mokha nila ay hindi kilala ni baravo taktika ito ni iligan mayor lawrenz cruz.the most men of bravo what i knew are like his family they know eachother for long time.
Yellowbird
Fri Aug 22 2008 09:06:55 PM
Let us not revive the Ilaga-Baracuda days which happened almost four decades ago. This will only fan the tension that is brewing between Muslims and Christians in Lanao Norte-Iligan and North Cotabato. A repeat of what happened will only result to more sufferings for residents in Mindanao, Muslims and Christians alike,coupled with the oil and food crisis as more and more people are wallowing in the quagmire of poverty and hopelessness!
marawi
Fri Aug 22 2008 09:03:08 PM
the 31 so-called surrenderees from commander bravo are not MILF but higaonons and christians from rugongen iligan.
Yellowbird
Fri Aug 22 2008 08:49:30 PM
Going back to the recent skirmishes between the MILF and AFP-PNP,Bravo declared that those surrenderees were his men from Rogongon, Iligan City.According to him, they were the ones who killed those civilians and cafgus, burned houses, and looted business establishments and he did not order it.He was planning to court martialed them, MILF style, pero bigkang sumuko sila.
Yellowbird
Fri Aug 22 2008 08:44:09 PM
By the way, the Mayor elect of BuadiPuso shelled out 30M pesos to buy out his strong opponent, disregarding the father in law of Helen Acoon. Surprisingly, the people voted for her father-in-law since no buying of votes took place. A protest was made and reportedly financed by Helen and worked it out until his father-in-law was proclaimed.This is the version of the relatives of Helen. Her remains of was buried at Padila, Balindong.
Yellowbird
Fri Aug 22 2008 08:35:12 PM
Recall that this is similar to what happened at Pantar, Lanao Norte, when the vice mayor elect,elder brother of Ombudsman Bureau Director Mothalib Onos, an MSU alumnus, was declared the rightful Mayor of Pantar after the SC disqualified the Mayor-elect and his opponent, the previous incumbent Mayor. The case is still unresolved!
Yellowbird
Fri Aug 22 2008 08:31:35 PM
Flash local news: Just this morning at around 7am, the wife of the late Ex -Mayor Acoon, Ms Helen Acoon, Pres of the Ninoy Aquino College Foundation, was shot and killed near LBP Marawi while buying medicine , accompanied by her driver and grandchild.Relatives claimed that this is related to the mayoralty row at Buadipuso-Buntong, in which case, the father in law was allegedly declared the winner as Mayor in the last local elections by the Comelec!Grabe na itong nangyayari sa atin!
concern_student
Fri Aug 22 2008 07:05:03 PM
congress ang cha-cha.
concern_student
Fri Aug 22 2008 07:03:05 PM
assalamualaikom, sa pagkakaalam ko, ang kaguluhan na ito ay wlang kataposan, nagsimula ito noon pa, i'